Best option to rebuild PD50Bs
Re: Best option to rebuild PD50Bs
Certainly something you will hear against say 20000 miles.
However this corresponds to a general metallic noise level, not peculiarly valve or chain noise. If you can hear chain or valve noise out of this increased level, this is probably something that may be reduced.
Verify cam chain tension at different positions. If turns from tight to loose during turning the engine, better replace it. This is a good idea at 47k anyway.
I replaced mine at about 45k, the engine ran up to 60k until I used a spare one due to the oil consumption.
A torn cam chains typically will end up in a few bend valves.
However this corresponds to a general metallic noise level, not peculiarly valve or chain noise. If you can hear chain or valve noise out of this increased level, this is probably something that may be reduced.
Verify cam chain tension at different positions. If turns from tight to loose during turning the engine, better replace it. This is a good idea at 47k anyway.
I replaced mine at about 45k, the engine ran up to 60k until I used a spare one due to the oil consumption.
A torn cam chains typically will end up in a few bend valves.
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Re: Best option to rebuild PD50Bs
I have never heard of a torn cam chain. Scary!!
Started her up yesterday morning and it was still LOUD with that clattering noise, so only let it run for a minute or so. Then went about re tightening the timing chain while turning the crank as I tightened the tensioner. All that noise is gone and I rode over 25 miles to work, the store and home. Success, in that realm anyways.
#4 carb has a very minor leak at the outer edge of where the float bowl meets the carb body, but no fuel is dripping from the overflow tube. I did reuse the float bowl gaskets, kind of dry when they went in. I'm thinking maybe smooth out the plunger seat while replacing the bowl gasket first.
Other then that, there is a slight hesitation at very low RPMs, as in just off idle when in gear. It revs just fine with the clutch in, and pulls very well after that initial hesitation. The accelerator pump is old, but looked to be in good shape when I put it in a few days ago. I also did all the adjustments for it per the manual on cosky's site (awesome site!!!).
The fun thing is, I have ANOTHER 1980 CB650, but it's not a Custom. In the next few weeks I will be tearing down the carbs and getting those O-ring #'s. Having 2 CB650's to play with never hurt.
Sad thing is I am starting school in a week so I need to leave one in good running order so I can have reliable transport to work 2 days a week, or so. The other days I'll ride my bicycle.
Thank you so much for the help Volker!!!
Started her up yesterday morning and it was still LOUD with that clattering noise, so only let it run for a minute or so. Then went about re tightening the timing chain while turning the crank as I tightened the tensioner. All that noise is gone and I rode over 25 miles to work, the store and home. Success, in that realm anyways.
#4 carb has a very minor leak at the outer edge of where the float bowl meets the carb body, but no fuel is dripping from the overflow tube. I did reuse the float bowl gaskets, kind of dry when they went in. I'm thinking maybe smooth out the plunger seat while replacing the bowl gasket first.
Other then that, there is a slight hesitation at very low RPMs, as in just off idle when in gear. It revs just fine with the clutch in, and pulls very well after that initial hesitation. The accelerator pump is old, but looked to be in good shape when I put it in a few days ago. I also did all the adjustments for it per the manual on cosky's site (awesome site!!!).
The fun thing is, I have ANOTHER 1980 CB650, but it's not a Custom. In the next few weeks I will be tearing down the carbs and getting those O-ring #'s. Having 2 CB650's to play with never hurt.
Sad thing is I am starting school in a week so I need to leave one in good running order so I can have reliable transport to work 2 days a week, or so. The other days I'll ride my bicycle.
Thank you so much for the help Volker!!!
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You're welcome!
Whenever I need really reliable transport I take my old bicycle.
Whenever I need really reliable transport I take my old bicycle.
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The bicycle is almost 10 years older then the CB650, and I have put about 8,000 miles on it the last ~4 years.
Whats funnier is, I have a Class A drivers license, I driver commercial tractor trailers for a living. I love to drive, I just like riding my bike more!
Whats funnier is, I have a Class A drivers license, I driver commercial tractor trailers for a living. I love to drive, I just like riding my bike more!
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Here you are my present most reliable transport:
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Nice ride! Simple effective bike, coaster brake, and nice generator set up, nice frame pump. Where have I seen this great bike before...
Fred Birchmore rode a very similar set up around the world in 1934-1935.
Enjoy!!
Fred Birchmore rode a very similar set up around the world in 1934-1935.
Enjoy!!
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Impressing.
The swiss army has similar bikes, too. There are still several races with them. The original old swiss army bikes are really expensive now.
The swiss army has similar bikes, too. There are still several races with them. The original old swiss army bikes are really expensive now.
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Re: Best option to rebuild PD50Bs
I turned the idle air adjusting needles out about 2/3 over the ~2 1/8 that were set from the bench setting. Now there is no hesitation what so ever throughout the throttle range. I'm very happy with the old girl.
Just hoping it's not just masking a different problem.
Just hoping it's not just masking a different problem.
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The impact of the idle adjust screws on the carb behaviour is low and only affects idle and very low rpm. So no chance to mask really serious problems there.
Altitude and air filter may explain deviations. So if not done, check out your airbox but don't worry further if everything there looks all right.
Sometimes even a CB650 just runs fine!
Altitude and air filter may explain deviations. So if not done, check out your airbox but don't worry further if everything there looks all right.
Sometimes even a CB650 just runs fine!
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Re: Best option to rebuild PD50Bs
Yeah, the hesitation seems to be there some days and not there at all others. Oh well.
I'm at sea level and up to 500ft, though the air box does have an odd bend at that main connection between the front section and main filter housing. Looks like someone over tightened it and the ovel 'female' end seems to not hold outward pressure when tightening down the big clamp even a little. It probably is letting a bit more air through bypassing the filter itself. It just now popped into my head that it did seem wierd as I installed the carb the last time.
Might that cause a hesitation like I have? I'm guessing so...
I'm at sea level and up to 500ft, though the air box does have an odd bend at that main connection between the front section and main filter housing. Looks like someone over tightened it and the ovel 'female' end seems to not hold outward pressure when tightening down the big clamp even a little. It probably is letting a bit more air through bypassing the filter itself. It just now popped into my head that it did seem wierd as I installed the carb the last time.
Might that cause a hesitation like I have? I'm guessing so...
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Sure, air leaks may cause hesitations, especially when you are already close to lean (and stock CB650 settings usually is close to lean).
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Re: Best option to rebuild PD50Bs
Volker_P wrote:cb650 wrote:Volker I would suggest a locked thread with this info and the electric interchange list.
It's already in my internal technical links list.
One may also click on "forum links" in my signature to get there.
I may still compose something anyway.
Updated my post to include the original carb specs.
Volker. Feel free to copy over to a FAQ if you feel it is needed.
Will update the PD50D specs as soon as I can get my hands on a set!
Ghost
~ Ghost
PD50 Carb Info
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Stable
Wayward Son:1980 CB650C, RestoMod Period Custom Touring
Bad Moon: 1983 XJ750MK Midnight Maxim, Full Dress Tour Deluxe w/ X-1 Fairing
Nemesis: 1983 XJ750K Maxim, Old School style chopper
PD50 Carb Info
82 CB650SC Brake Caliper Info
Stable
Wayward Son:1980 CB650C, RestoMod Period Custom Touring
Bad Moon: 1983 XJ750MK Midnight Maxim, Full Dress Tour Deluxe w/ X-1 Fairing
Nemesis: 1983 XJ750K Maxim, Old School style chopper
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Thanks!
Feel free to make a FAQ!
I do not intend going beyond taking care for my "internal technical links" list.
Feel free to make a FAQ!
I do not intend going beyond taking care for my "internal technical links" list.
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Ghost isn't messin around I have a few parts I might end up letting go for a good cause
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I am always looking for PD50C, PD50D, and PD50E racks to get the needed information from.
~ Ghost
PD50 Carb Info
82 CB650SC Brake Caliper Info
Stable
Wayward Son:1980 CB650C, RestoMod Period Custom Touring
Bad Moon: 1983 XJ750MK Midnight Maxim, Full Dress Tour Deluxe w/ X-1 Fairing
Nemesis: 1983 XJ750K Maxim, Old School style chopper
PD50 Carb Info
82 CB650SC Brake Caliper Info
Stable
Wayward Son:1980 CB650C, RestoMod Period Custom Touring
Bad Moon: 1983 XJ750MK Midnight Maxim, Full Dress Tour Deluxe w/ X-1 Fairing
Nemesis: 1983 XJ750K Maxim, Old School style chopper
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